Comments on: Rating the Bond Films http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/ Michael Rawdon's webjournal Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:34:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-933 J.D. Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:52:04 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-933 Okay, now that I've adjusted to Dalton, I *like* him. His Bond is very, very different. He's softer and blends into the film more than Moore or Connery. In fact, during The Living Daylights, you could almost call him a softie. I had a rough time getting into that film, but I found the latter half quite good. And it had a GOOD Bond woman (not perfect, but good). About fucking time. I'm watching License to Kill at the moment. It's the best Bond in years. Okay, now that I’ve adjusted to Dalton, I *like* him. His Bond is very, very different. He’s softer and blends into the film more than Moore or Connery. In fact, during The Living Daylights, you could almost call him a softie. I had a rough time getting into that film, but I found the latter half quite good. And it had a GOOD Bond woman (not perfect, but good). About fucking time.

I’m watching License to Kill at the moment. It’s the best Bond in years.

]]> By: Michael Rawdon http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-868 Michael Rawdon Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:03:55 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-868 Hmm, that's very interesting: I haven't seen <b>A View to A Kill</b> since it came out, but my recollection is that it's the worst of all the Bond films (which is why I haven't seen it since it came out). As I said, I think <b>For Your Eyes Only</b> is the best Moore film, and one of the best of the series overall. Having just finished reading <a href="http://www.antipope.org/charlie/" rel="nofollow">Charles Stross</a>' novel <i>The Jennifer Morgue</i> (review forthcoming), with his afterword on the James Bond novels, films, and "phenomenon", I have further thoughts on why I enjoyed but was not blown away by <b>Casino Royale</b>. I may write those thoughts up sometime soon. Hmm, that’s very interesting: I haven’t seen A View to A Kill since it came out, but my recollection is that it’s the worst of all the Bond films (which is why I haven’t seen it since it came out).

As I said, I think For Your Eyes Only is the best Moore film, and one of the best of the series overall.

Having just finished reading Charles Stross‘ novel The Jennifer Morgue (review forthcoming), with his afterword on the James Bond novels, films, and “phenomenon”, I have further thoughts on why I enjoyed but was not blown away by Casino Royale. I may write those thoughts up sometime soon.

]]> By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-853 J.D. Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:06:48 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-853 My Moore-era Bond entry is scheduled to be up sometime in the next hour. I didn't enjoy these films as much as I did the Connery films. (I provide a numerical difference between the two eras, but it doesn't truly reflect how much more I enjoy the Connery Bond.) I agree that Octopussy is better than most people say. It's a little disjointed, and suffers from a lot of the nonsensical stuff present in most Bonds from 1967-1985, but other than that it's not bad. The acting is *generally* better than in most Bonds. I expected to hate View to a Kill, which I'd never seen before, but actually quite liked the underlying story and the departure -- at last -- from "comic bookiness". There are some definite problems with it though. On to the Brosnan era! My Moore-era Bond entry is scheduled to be up sometime in the next hour. I didn’t enjoy these films as much as I did the Connery films. (I provide a numerical difference between the two eras, but it doesn’t truly reflect how much more I enjoy the Connery Bond.)

I agree that Octopussy is better than most people say. It’s a little disjointed, and suffers from a lot of the nonsensical stuff present in most Bonds from 1967-1985, but other than that it’s not bad. The acting is *generally* better than in most Bonds. I expected to hate View to a Kill, which I’d never seen before, but actually quite liked the underlying story and the departure — at last — from “comic bookiness”. There are some definite problems with it though.

On to the Brosnan era!

]]> By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-408 J.D. Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:08:10 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-408 I'm mid-way through the Moore era. I like him and I don't. He's a great Bond in social situations, but man does he stink in fights. He's a prissy boy and his fighting is unconvincing. Also, we saw <i>Casino Royale</i> last night. The second time for me, the first time for Kris. "That was <i>much</i> better than the other Bond films," Kris told me. She actually liked it. For my part, I found it much, much better than any of the other Bond films we've watched so far, too. Only <i>From Russia With Love</i> can compete. There's no way that, for example, <i>Live and Let Die</i> can be held in the same league. It's be a couple weeks before I get my Moore-era review up at foldedspace, but you can count on intermittent updates here. :) I’m mid-way through the Moore era. I like him and I don’t. He’s a great Bond in social situations, but man does he stink in fights. He’s a prissy boy and his fighting is unconvincing.

Also, we saw Casino Royale last night. The second time for me, the first time for Kris. “That was much better than the other Bond films,” Kris told me. She actually liked it. For my part, I found it much, much better than any of the other Bond films we’ve watched so far, too. Only From Russia With Love can compete. There’s no way that, for example, Live and Let Die can be held in the same league.

It’s be a couple weeks before I get my Moore-era review up at foldedspace, but you can count on intermittent updates here. :)

]]> By: Michael Rawdon http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Michael Rawdon Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:08:52 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-265 If you think <b>You Only Live Twice</b> is bad, J.D., I can't wait to see what you think of <b>The Man With The Golden Gun</b> or <b>Moonraker</b>. If you think You Only Live Twice is bad, J.D., I can’t wait to see what you think of The Man With The Golden Gun or Moonraker.

]]> By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-207 J.D. Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:21:47 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-207 You Only Live Twice starts in promising fashion, but it quickly devolves into a truly bad film. I almost stopped watching. Ugh. Next up: On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Then the campy (but fun) Diamonds are Forever (which I may end up hating -- haven't seen it since high school). You Only Live Twice starts in promising fashion, but it quickly devolves into a truly bad film. I almost stopped watching. Ugh. Next up: On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Then the campy (but fun) Diamonds are Forever (which I may end up hating — haven’t seen it since high school).

]]> By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-154 J.D. Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:20:30 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-154 I'm watching Goldfinger right now. I've seen it many times before, and never had fond memories of it. It's just as I remembered. I plan to watch all of the films in order. So far, my order is: From Russia with Love (by a long way), Dr. No, and Goldfinger. I'll update the list as I watch more. I’m watching Goldfinger right now. I’ve seen it many times before, and never had fond memories of it. It’s just as I remembered. I plan to watch all of the films in order. So far, my order is: From Russia with Love (by a long way), Dr. No, and Goldfinger. I’ll update the list as I watch more.

]]> By: Subrata Sircar http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-142 Subrata Sircar Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:38:02 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-142 Oh, and having just seen Casino Royale, I'd put it up there with Goldeneye - I was very impressed. In particular, the parcouer/free-running sequence was extremely cool, largely because as soon as I saw the guy's name I knew that most of the stunts were "real" (i.e. no CGI, wires, etc., but people actually jumping twenty feet onto girders, free-climbing I-beams and cranes, and diving through windows onto rooftops). Check out http://www.parkour.com/pk/homepage.htm for more of his stuff. Oh, and having just seen Casino Royale, I’d put it up there with Goldeneye – I was very impressed. In particular, the parcouer/free-running sequence was extremely cool, largely because as soon as I saw the guy’s name I knew that most of the stunts were “real” (i.e. no CGI, wires, etc., but people actually jumping twenty feet onto girders, free-climbing I-beams and cranes, and diving through windows onto rooftops).

Check out http://www.parkour.com/pk/homepage.htm for more of his stuff.

]]> By: Michael Rawdon http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Michael Rawdon Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:12:19 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-139 Oh yes, I'm well aware of the legal battles surrounding <b>Thunderball</b> and <b>Never Say Never Again</b>. For that matter, <b>Thunderball</b> was apparently originally slated to be the first Bond film, but the co-author's objections prevented that from happening. Oh yes, I’m well aware of the legal battles surrounding Thunderball and Never Say Never Again. For that matter, Thunderball was apparently originally slated to be the first Bond film, but the co-author’s objections prevented that from happening.

]]> By: Subrata Sircar http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-137 Subrata Sircar Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:31:06 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-137 In case you didn't already know, there's a long legal battle behind why Thunderball and Never Say Never Again are alternate-universe versions of the same movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Say_Never_Again I think Goldeneye is the best of the "modern" Bond films - the opening sequence is superb, and the tank chase is silly but well done. On some days, I'd class it as a great Bond film. Tomorrow Never Dies has Michelle Yeoh sharing the stunt/action work, which is enough to save it from the bad Bond category, but only just. The World Is Not Enough has Denise Richards, which is enough to dump it into the bad Bond category unless you mute all her lines : In case you didn’t already know, there’s a long legal battle behind why Thunderball and Never Say Never Again are alternate-universe versions of the same movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Say_Never_Again

I think Goldeneye is the best of the “modern” Bond films – the opening sequence is superb, and the tank chase is silly but well done. On some days, I’d class it as a great Bond film.

Tomorrow Never Dies has Michelle Yeoh sharing the stunt/action work, which is enough to save it from the bad Bond category, but only just.

The World Is Not Enough has Denise Richards, which is enough to dump it into the bad Bond category unless you mute all her lines :

]]> By: Michael Rawdon http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-136 Michael Rawdon Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:01:04 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-136 I saw <b>Dr. No</b> at least once a year ago on SpikeTV. I don't think it's as good as its two successors, but I still like it a lot. Putting aside some of the quirks due to not having gotten down the Bond "formula", I think Connery does a terrific job as Bond, as do Jack Lord as Leiter and John Kitzmiller as Quarrel. The plot is no less sensical (maybe even more sensical) than many other Bond films. Looking at my list again, I could see slipping it two - or even three - places on the list depending on my mood, but I'd certainly rate it higher than <b>Octopussy</b> or anything below that one. I saw Dr. No at least once a year ago on SpikeTV. I don’t think it’s as good as its two successors, but I still like it a lot. Putting aside some of the quirks due to not having gotten down the Bond “formula”, I think Connery does a terrific job as Bond, as do Jack Lord as Leiter and John Kitzmiller as Quarrel. The plot is no less sensical (maybe even more sensical) than many other Bond films.

Looking at my list again, I could see slipping it two – or even three – places on the list depending on my mood, but I’d certainly rate it higher than Octopussy or anything below that one.

]]> By: J.D. http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/comment-page-1/#comment-135 J.D. Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:20:50 +0000 http://www.fascinationplace.org/2006/12/03/rating-the-bond-films/#comment-135 When was the last time you watched Dr. No? I ask because I watched it and From Russia With Love over the weekend. They're like night and day. Dr. No is not particularly good. In fact, there are parts near the beginning that aren't good at all. The recent Casino Royale is much better. From Russia With Love, however, is damn fine. (I watched it last night.) I'm reading the Bond novels for the first time, and am watching the series again for the third time (though I've never made it past mid-Roger Moore -- I think Octopussy is the latest I've ever gone in the series). When was the last time you watched Dr. No? I ask because I watched it and From Russia With Love over the weekend. They’re like night and day. Dr. No is not particularly good. In fact, there are parts near the beginning that aren’t good at all. The recent Casino Royale is much better. From Russia With Love, however, is damn fine. (I watched it last night.)

I’m reading the Bond novels for the first time, and am watching the series again for the third time (though I’ve never made it past mid-Roger Moore — I think Octopussy is the latest I’ve ever gone in the series).

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