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		<title>By: Michael Rawdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rawdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think X-Men 2 is the best Marvel movie I&#039;ve seen.  The biggest problem with the X-Men films is they try too hard to be serious and weighty, rather than fun and exciting.

I&#039;d say it&#039;s a toss-up whether Lucas&#039; biggest impact was in marketing or in special effects.  He was well ahead of everyone else in both areas when &lt;b&gt;Star Wars&lt;/b&gt; came out.  It turned out to be easier for everyone else to catch up to him in marketing, but I don&#039;t know whether that indicates he was more or less influential there than in SFX.

I think my biggest worry about Misney is that Disney will cut back operating expenses at Marvel publishing (which I don&#039;t think are very large to begin with), which will hurt the industry as a whole, as I noted in my article.  The interesting wild card would be if they decide to make a big push to develop new properties through Marvel publishing, which has been difficult for DC and Marvel to do over the last 20 years as creators have realized it&#039;s better for them to make money on work-for-hire projects at the big two on existing characters, and save their own creations for independent publishing where they retain the rights, even if they&#039;re never big money-makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think X-Men 2 is the best Marvel movie I&#8217;ve seen.  The biggest problem with the X-Men films is they try too hard to be serious and weighty, rather than fun and exciting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s a toss-up whether Lucas&#8217; biggest impact was in marketing or in special effects.  He was well ahead of everyone else in both areas when <b>Star Wars</b> came out.  It turned out to be easier for everyone else to catch up to him in marketing, but I don&#8217;t know whether that indicates he was more or less influential there than in SFX.</p>
<p>I think my biggest worry about Misney is that Disney will cut back operating expenses at Marvel publishing (which I don&#8217;t think are very large to begin with), which will hurt the industry as a whole, as I noted in my article.  The interesting wild card would be if they decide to make a big push to develop new properties through Marvel publishing, which has been difficult for DC and Marvel to do over the last 20 years as creators have realized it&#8217;s better for them to make money on work-for-hire projects at the big two on existing characters, and save their own creations for independent publishing where they retain the rights, even if they&#8217;re never big money-makers.</p>
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		<title>By: Subrata Sircar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subrata Sircar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Spider-Man 2 was decent, but I really liked X-Men 2 - the opening sequence with Nightcrawler looks almost exactly like I would have pictured it in my head.

My guess is that Disney looked at Pixar&#039;s potential for turning movie scripts into dollars via toys (perhaps George Lucas&#039; biggest impact on the industry was the spinoff revenue streams from Star Wars) - and online games/properties/webisodes more importantly, as that could be seen as a harbinger of the future.  They looked at Marvel and decided that they not only had a large stable of suitable properties, they had already started to monetize them.  This would be their best chance to jump-start their portfolio towards that wave.

I&#039;m not particularly worried about the comic books themselves, but it&#039;s entirely possible that Disney will attempt to find top-flight talent to cast new stories for the new media that it will ultimately monetize, which would tend to harm the comics themselves - as Scott McCloud points out, some stories are best told as comics to take advantage of the medium, but retelling stories conceived as moving pictures is not likely to lead to great comics.  Of course, not buying Marvel wasn&#039;t going to stop that trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Spider-Man 2 was decent, but I really liked X-Men 2 &#8211; the opening sequence with Nightcrawler looks almost exactly like I would have pictured it in my head.</p>
<p>My guess is that Disney looked at Pixar&#8217;s potential for turning movie scripts into dollars via toys (perhaps George Lucas&#8217; biggest impact on the industry was the spinoff revenue streams from Star Wars) &#8211; and online games/properties/webisodes more importantly, as that could be seen as a harbinger of the future.  They looked at Marvel and decided that they not only had a large stable of suitable properties, they had already started to monetize them.  This would be their best chance to jump-start their portfolio towards that wave.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly worried about the comic books themselves, but it&#8217;s entirely possible that Disney will attempt to find top-flight talent to cast new stories for the new media that it will ultimately monetize, which would tend to harm the comics themselves &#8211; as Scott McCloud points out, some stories are best told as comics to take advantage of the medium, but retelling stories conceived as moving pictures is not likely to lead to great comics.  Of course, not buying Marvel wasn&#8217;t going to stop that trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rawdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rawdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I thought the first FF film was okay.  Not great.  Jessica Alba was disastrously miscast, of course.  I have a hard time working up enthusiasm for Marvel films, more than DC films; the appeal of Marvel to me are more in specific characterizations and stories, which never get faithfully translated to the big screen.

J.D.: I&#039;m with you on Dark Knight, believe it or not: Decent film, but the first one was better.  Although Heath Ledger&#039;s performance was certainly excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I thought the first FF film was okay.  Not great.  Jessica Alba was disastrously miscast, of course.  I have a hard time working up enthusiasm for Marvel films, more than DC films; the appeal of Marvel to me are more in specific characterizations and stories, which never get faithfully translated to the big screen.</p>
<p>J.D.: I&#8217;m with you on Dark Knight, believe it or not: Decent film, but the first one was better.  Although Heath Ledger&#8217;s performance was certainly excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I am generally not a fan of comic book films. The X-Men films had a few nice moments, but that&#039;s it. That said, Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book film I have seen to date. I highly recommend it. (Unlike the rest of the internet, I thought The Dark Knight was just okay, and not as good as the first film.) Iron Man was decent, too. Spider-Man 3 was terrible terrible terrible stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I am generally not a fan of comic book films. The X-Men films had a few nice moments, but that&#8217;s it. That said, Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book film I have seen to date. I highly recommend it. (Unlike the rest of the internet, I thought The Dark Knight was just okay, and not as good as the first film.) Iron Man was decent, too. Spider-Man 3 was terrible terrible terrible stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some things I&#039;ve read suggest that the Marvel acquisition is part of a strategy to target more teenage/20 something males, suggesting that properties like Hannah Montana have pretty much sewed up the young female demographic.  That could make some sense.  However, I suspect that boys/men will be more interested in movies, TV, video games, and possibly toys using franchise characters than the comic books.

I&#039;d recommend Spider-Man 2, by the way, although I&#039;ve yet to watch SM3.  Am I the only one who liked the Fantastic Four movie (OK, I admit that I didn&#039;t see the second one, but I did enjoy the first...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some things I&#8217;ve read suggest that the Marvel acquisition is part of a strategy to target more teenage/20 something males, suggesting that properties like Hannah Montana have pretty much sewed up the young female demographic.  That could make some sense.  However, I suspect that boys/men will be more interested in movies, TV, video games, and possibly toys using franchise characters than the comic books.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend Spider-Man 2, by the way, although I&#8217;ve yet to watch SM3.  Am I the only one who liked the Fantastic Four movie (OK, I admit that I didn&#8217;t see the second one, but I did enjoy the first&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rawdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rawdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disney is - probably wisely - playing for the long term, not necessarily whatever profits those properties will make over the next 10 years.  In the short term I assume Disney investigated Marvel&#039;s existing deals and is willing to live off of whatever profits Marvel makes directly from those deals (I think the movies have been pretty profitable for Marvel), plus whatever other ways Disney figures out to exploit Marvel&#039;s properties.  Really, no one&#039;s better at turning IP into revenue than Disney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disney is &#8211; probably wisely &#8211; playing for the long term, not necessarily whatever profits those properties will make over the next 10 years.  In the short term I assume Disney investigated Marvel&#8217;s existing deals and is willing to live off of whatever profits Marvel makes directly from those deals (I think the movies have been pretty profitable for Marvel), plus whatever other ways Disney figures out to exploit Marvel&#8217;s properties.  Really, no one&#8217;s better at turning IP into revenue than Disney.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/9/2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;layoffs have already begun&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, it appears that the singing teapot played by Angela Lansbury will be joining &lt;i&gt;Ultimate X-Men&lt;/i&gt;.

Seriously, though, I&#039;m guessing you&#039;re right, with the added point (as has been pointed out elsewhere) that a lot of Marvel&#039;s IP is already tied up, with Fox, Sony and others having secured the movie rights for a number of the characters for the foreseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/9/2" rel="nofollow">layoffs have already begun</a>.  Also, it appears that the singing teapot played by Angela Lansbury will be joining <i>Ultimate X-Men</i>.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re right, with the added point (as has been pointed out elsewhere) that a lot of Marvel&#8217;s IP is already tied up, with Fox, Sony and others having secured the movie rights for a number of the characters for the foreseeable future.</p>
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